The AMD 2nd Gen EPYC "Rome" Launch Live Blogby Ryan Smith on August 7, 2019 4:55 PM EST
Read our review of EPYC Rome here!
05:05PM EDT - I'm here at the San Francisco Palace of Fine Arts for what may very well be AMD's most important event of the year: the 2nd generation EPYC "Rome" launch
05:06PM EDT - The second – and arguably largest – shoe in the Zen 2 launch is dropping today: AMD’s EPYC 7002-series “Rome” processor. Based on all the things that made 3rd gen Ryzen great just a month ago, now AMD is doing it bigger and better. With up to 64 cores, AMD will be striking right at the heart of Intel’s server CPU business; and they just might be able to do it.
05:07PM EDT - AMD CEO Lisa Su is on the stage, and we're already getting started
05:09PM EDT - AMD intends to focus on all the major pillars of data centers. Everything from performance and TCO to the very timely subject of security
05:09PM EDT - It's not about just the chip or just the processor. It's about how you put all of it together
05:10PM EDT - "You can't get it all done in one generation"
05:10PM EDT - AMD is tackling the datacenter as a system approach
05:10PM EDT - "We completely believe in an open ecosystem"
05:11PM EDT - Lisa is quickly recapping the history of AMD's Zen server lineup
05:11PM EDT - AMD's Naples came out 2 years ago. It was ambitious
05:12PM EDT - Though speaking as a member of the press, AMD's 1st gen was largely a spearhead part; something to get AMD's name out there and get ecosystem partners hardware to try out
05:12PM EDT - 2nd gen EPYC, Rome, is where it all really kicks off
05:13PM EDT - One of the requirements for AMD to "win" will be to win over the hyperscalers - the biggest of the biggest server buyers
05:14PM EDT - With so much taking place in the cloud, winning over these massive customers is key to flipping the larger market
05:14PM EDT - How will AMD do it? With better performance and a lower total cost of ownership
05:16PM EDT - (The blue lighting in the background isn't a camera anomaly; AMD is using a lot of blue lighting here. I may have worn the wrong color shirt)
05:16PM EDT - As exciting as EPYC 1 was, AMD is even more excited about 2nd gen EPYC
05:17PM EDT - AMD had to bet big on Zen 2. And that bet is the biggest in the server realm
05:17PM EDT - ILisa just pointed out that today is also the 7th. I had missed that until now)
05:18PM EDT - Lisa is proclaiming that the 2nd gen EPYC is the highest performing x86 processor in the world
05:19PM EDT - AMD says they've set 80 world records. And we'll see many of them over the next 90 minutes
05:20PM EDT - AMD believes that if you are doing anything in a datacenter, you should be doing it with EPYC
05:21PM EDT - AMD has the most cores ever. The most I/O ever
05:24PM EDT - AMD wants to beat the industry standard curve on performance
05:24PM EDT - Calling out Intel's Cascade Lake by name
05:25PM EDT - AMD is almost double Intel's performance. "And that's what we call changing the game"
05:26PM EDT - AMD is doing a top-to-top comparison. EPYC 7742 to Xeon Platinun 8280L
05:26PM EDT - 97% high perf with the peak (not base) SPECint rate
05:27PM EDT - And 4x the floating point perf of EPYC 1
05:31PM EDT - Once again reiterating the point of more performance at a lower cost
05:31PM EDT - And ultimately, a 25-50% lower tCO
05:32PM EDT - But AMD can't do it alone. It's their OEM/ODM partners who take their parts and make a whole system out of it
05:34PM EDT - Now on stage: Mark Potter of HPE
05:35PM EDT - HPE has 3 servers available today
05:36PM EDT - And 12 servers by this time next year
05:38PM EDT - On a side note, AMD and its partners know the score. Intel's Cascade Lake parts are already out. So AMD knows exactly where they're going to land and what they'll face for most of the next year. And as a result, there is no one here quite as happy as the AMD employees
05:40PM EDT - HPE has also been focusing on security at all levels, because systems are getting attacked and successfully hacked on all levels
05:41PM EDT - This means HPE needed to secure the base system
05:43PM EDT - HPE's full line of EPYC servers will be supported by their Infosight self-management system
05:44PM EDT - HPE is making the hardware through their hardware channels as well as their service channels
05:45PM EDT - Lisa's second guest: Jen Fraser of Twitter
05:46PM EDT - Lisa says she;s a huge fan of Twitter. It's definitely true: https://twitter.com/LisaSu/status/1158716089561432065
05:50PM EDT - Now turning things over to Mark Papermaster to talk about the tech details of Rome
05:51PM EDT - AMD has rolled out Zen 2 as planned. And they believe it'll be the same for Zen 3 in the future
05:52PM EDT - Mark is recapping the big bets AMD took for Zen 2, due to the long lead time on development
05:54PM EDT - 7nm was not easy. It took a collaberation between AMD, the fabs, and design software makers to make it all work
05:55PM EDT - Server customers need as much perf as they can get within the power envelope that server racks allow
05:56PM EDT - So AMD designed their chips around that. Use the density improvement to add more cores, and to make them better
05:58PM EDT - Some workloads have achieved up to a 40% perf gain at 32 cores with the same frequencies
05:59PM EDT - It's intense engineering that delivered these performance gains
05:59PM EDT - 2x Op cache, 3rd AGU, 2x AVX width, 2x L3, etc
06:01PM EDT - 2x cores + 2x AVX = 4x the peak FP perf per socket
06:02PM EDT - And using the Infinity Fabric to tie together the chiplets and the discrete CPUs
06:03PM EDT - 7nm CPU dies + 14nm I/O die
06:05PM EDT - 8 CPU dies coming to a single I/O die
06:05PM EDT - 8 memory channels 128 PCIe lanes
06:08PM EDT - 128 lanes of PCIe bandwidth means a lot of bandwidth to feed accelerators as well
06:09PM EDT - Socket to memory latency has been improved as well
06:09PM EDT - Mark is threatening to go on forever. I think most of the crowd would be for it
06:10PM EDT - But he'll stop here, so that another partner can come on stage
06:10PM EDT - Now on stage: Robert Hormuth of Dell
06:12PM EDT - Robert is covering all the ways that AMD's new hardware speeds up customer workloads
06:14PM EDT - Dell will be expanding its AMD server portfolio this fall
06:15PM EDT - Now shifting gears to the subject of security
06:16PM EDT - "Our designs have been rather resilient"
06:16PM EDT - And Zen 2 has been hardened further
06:17PM EDT - Also focusing on new tech like a secure root of trust, Secure Memory Encryption, and Secure Encrypted Virtualization (2)
06:18PM EDT - SEV2 offers 509 unique keys, up from 15 on SEV1 /EPYC
06:18PM EDT - Now on stage: Krish Prasad of VMWare
06:22PM EDT - AMD and VMware have been close partners, and with virtualization + hyperscaling continuing to expand, VMware will be a key partner for growing their server market share over the coming years
06:23PM EDT - VMware will be supporting SEV
06:24PM EDT - Back to Mark, who is wrapping up his section talking about momentum
06:25PM EDT - AMD is supplying the industry with more processing power with every generation
06:25PM EDT - Zen 3 is design complete
06:26PM EDT - And Zen 4 is in design
06:26PM EDT - AMD is committed. It's personal, and they will not give up
06:27PM EDT - Now on stage, Forrest Norrod to talk about systens and the EPYC ecosystem
06:28PM EDT - 32 billion transistors
06:29PM EDT - AMD is offering high perf single-socket and dual-socket parts
06:30PM EDT - "Over half a gigabyte of cache for crying out loud"
06:30PM EDT - AMD has a lot more cache than Intel, and they are clearly intent to beat Intel over the head with it
06:32PM EDT - AMD is quite proud of their 80 world records
06:36PM EDT - AMD has a bunch of demo stations here where they will be showing off the performance of Rome
06:36PM EDT - They say that they're going to be leading in a lot of workloads
06:36PM EDT - Now on stage: Peter Ungaro of Cray
06:37PM EDT - AMD and Cray, for those unaware, won one of the US government's exascale supercomputing contracts. The Frontier supercomputer
06:39PM EDT - Frontier isn't just about CPUs, but it's a combination of AMD CPUs and GPUs. Tied together with Cray's new inter-node fabric, Slingshot
06:43PM EDT - Cray and AMD have also just won a contract with the US Airforce for their weather department
06:44PM EDT - Now on stage: Matt Link of Indiana University, who will be the first educational institution to get a Cray Shasta system
06:45PM EDT - Big Red 200, a Shasta with EPYC processors
06:46PM EDT - IU will be focusing on researching health, the environment, and machine learning
06:48PM EDT - AMD says that their high performance completely changes the economics of the virtualized datacenter
06:49PM EDT - AMD isn't holding back on any features for their 1P processors. They're including all the memory, all the I/O, and all the security features
06:51PM EDT - Forrest doesn't mince words. AMD believes you can do anything you can do in a dual socket Xeon config in a single socket 2nd gen EPYC config
06:52PM EDT - Performance is the key for getting AMD in the door. But it's TCO that's going to carry them to winning over big datacenter customers
06:53PM EDT - Now on stage: Doug Fisher of Lenovo
06:54PM EDT - Lenovo of course is a major server vendor as well, and a close AMD partner
06:55PM EDT - Lenovo's systems are designed from the ground up for Rome, meaning they aren't using boards originally meant for Naples
06:56PM EDT - This is important, because Rome boards are required to support PCIe 4 and the higher memory clockspeeds
06:59PM EDT - Now rolling a customer video
07:03PM EDT - Now on stage: Girish Bablani from Microsoft's Azure division
07:03PM EDT - Side note: the review embargo has expired. See our full EPYC Rome review here: https://www.anandtech.com/show/14694/amd-rome-epyc-2nd-gen
07:04PM EDT - The extra bandwidth of EPYC helps Microsoft with the performance of some of their workloads, such as fluid dynamics simulations
07:06PM EDT - 3 Azure announcements
07:07PM EDT - 1) HBv2 systems, with Rome and HDR InfiniBand
07:07PM EDT - 2) And EPYC VDI as well
07:08PM EDT - 3) And general purpose systems based on Rome: Da_v3 and Ea_v3
07:09PM EDT - Forrest is thanking all the partners for getting things ready for today's Rome launch
07:10PM EDT - Now looking at the EPYC part stack
07:10PM EDT - The only thing differentiating the parts is performance - how many cores, at what clockspeed, and whether it supports 2 sockets or not
07:13PM EDT - AMD is offering just a *bit* more performance than Intel for the money,,,
07:14PM EDT - (Forrest Norrod:
1 2. Startled Journalists: 0)
07:14PM EDT - And now Lisa is back on the stage
07:15PM EDT - "We really do believe that every single datacenter environment should use EPYC"
07:15PM EDT - Now on stage: Bart Sano of Google
07:16PM EDT - "Google runs datacenters around the world"; and AMD wants in them
07:19PM EDT - Google has already deployed 2nd gen EPYC systems within their datacenters
07:20PM EDT - "Google was the first to deploy Rome in a production datacenter environment"
07:21PM EDT - Google will also be making Rome available via the Google Cloud Engine
07:22PM EDT - Depending on just how many systems Google eventually orders, this could be just the kind of big win that AMD needs to start to carve out a piece of the x86 server market
07:23PM EDT - AMD is just getting started
07:25PM EDT - AMD is committed to delivering further performance features and new, innovative features
07:25PM EDT - Milan is design complete, and Genoa will come after that
07:25PM EDT - Suffice it to say, AMD is being very bullish here
07:26PM EDT - And, as you can now see in our full review, they have good reason to be
07:26PM EDT - That's a wrap. Off to demos.
Read our review of EPYC Rome here!
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Jlcampi - Wednesday, August 7, 2019 - linkCould you comment the applicability of this processor or processor line to a workstation in a professional environment such as an engineering office using 2D CAD that relies primarily on single thread processing...
fallaha56 - Wednesday, August 7, 2019 - linkThis is Threadripper
Expect the upcoming 3000 series to scale to 32 cores+ and 4Ghz+
darkswordsman17 - Wednesday, August 7, 2019 - linkEPYC wouldn't be a good fit for that market, although EPYC Gen 2 should offer benefits over EPYC Gen 1 due to the improved IPC. But it is highly dependent on the software. EPYC would be overkill though, and Threadripper would likely be the better for that market, but I'm not sure if any OEM offers Threadripper workstations (especially with ECC support, and other features like we see them offer with Intel). Which is a shame, as I think Threadripper would likely do very well there (and ECC support should be easy, PCIe 4.0 would be great for SSDs).
Smell This - Friday, August 9, 2019 - linkEPYC/TR is likely on the *cutting edge* of workstation/pro environments __ including 2D CAD and single-thread processing. This would include Zen3 and future* variants.
In fact, AMD's chiplet design will likely lead to specialized *Field Programmable Gate Array* (FPGA) high-performance accelerators for computationally demanding operations in 2D/3D CAD. It's easy to envision EPYC/TR workstations in 8/16/24 core environments with an application accelerator, and a graphic 'SIMD engine array' chiplet.
* -- Hard to say 'down the road' what the future (2021 and beyond ?) holds for SP3 / SP3r2, and where we are going in 2-3 years . . .
mooninite - Wednesday, August 7, 2019 - linkIf you ever get a chance to ask questions:
Will AMD ever target the workstation market with EPYC? Intel offers Xeons (UP) and vendors offer Micro ATX and Mini-ITX motherboards. I'd rather run an EPYC, but it seems AMD is only targeting the large data center market.
Awful - Wednesday, August 7, 2019 - linkIsn't that Threadripper's target market rather than EPYC?
darkswordsman17 - Wednesday, August 7, 2019 - linkThat should be Threadripper's market, but AMD doesn't seem to have really pushed for it into workstations. Hopefully they will with Zen 2, as it should offer comparable advantages over Intel's stuff that EPYC offers over Intel's stuff in those markets.
jakky567 - Wednesday, August 7, 2019 - linkI can't wait for the threadripper release myself.
notashill - Wednesday, August 7, 2019 - linkYou can already buy EPYC ATX boards and Threadripper mATX boards, the socket is obviously never going to fit into an ITX board. Why would you want EPYC on a small motherboard that can't fit the extra memory channels and PCIe slots that are its entire selling point over TR?
jakky567 - Wednesday, August 7, 2019 - linkDidn't it leak that 8 core chips exist?
I'm not sure about the product lineup though.