Maybe out of happiness lol. You being a dumbass doesn't make these APU's themselves any less awesome. Rather, it just makes you well, look like a dumbass...
Shabby you're a fool. Intel picks random benchmarks that help their case EXCLUSIVELY.
When they were winning on single core they had all kinds of random benchmark citations to try to prove that was more important "overall" than having a fast bus - well, now they have NEITHER.
Except Ice Lake is a 18% IPC gain over Coffee Lake, making it around 10% over Zen 2 in IPC as well. Meaning that in order 4800U AMDi7-1065G7 to even match i7-1065G7 in single-core performance, it has to be clocked at 4.3 GHz in boost. It's instead around 4.2, meaning AMD is in fact a few percent behind, not ahead, of Ice Lake in single-core. In any case, we can assume it's parity.
As for the rest, the most important metric is efficiency, and AMD did not show us anything there, which is a bit worrying. Ice Lake was ahead of Zen+ by a factor of 40%. AMD only stated "up to 20% better efficiency" at the same frequency. That's simply not enough.
I'm also interested in sustained performance. At the end of the day the benchmarks that Andrei and others provide are completely useless. For example, in his benchmark of Surface Pro 3 Laptop, Ice Lake was reaching desktop Coffee Lakes levels of performance. That's just nonsense, and I'm surprised he makes no reservations about it. I use an Ice Lake laptop regularly, and no way in hell dos it even come close to performing as well as desktop CPUs for even everyday tasks. Even something as a simple scrolling in Spotify is more janky on laptops than desktop CPUs (which do run at base clocks in such tasks too, mind you). SPEC does not properly represent this reality, and it's also why I'm disappointed that 4000U chips have regressed in base clock. Base clock improvements is where the real performance is at.
@generalako AMD stated up to 20% overall lower soc power at the same frequency (while doubling the core count). That's much different than 20% better efficiency. Performance per watt has doubled (in multi threaded loads). I doubt the gains will be as large in single threaded loads. And I agree, AMD would certainly have shown a direct comparison to Ice Lake if they had somehow surpassed it in absolute power consumption. But AMD could be very close.
If AMD can reach their 4.2Ghz boost then they will beat the new Intel mobile processors. Users in TomsHardware are having issues with Intel high end mobile CPU not reaching their Turbo speed even under good temps. They are reaching a max of 4Ghz whereas the boost speed is 4.5Ghz.
Even though AMD used Intel best Ice Lakes which are by the way only 4 Core why these new AMD chips have 8 Cores - one has to believe Intel has 6 and 8 core mobile CPU with new architexture. It might be called Tiger Lake - but it would be foolish to think Intel is just sitting on their butts.
hstewart come on man.. will you EVER learn how to spell architecture correctly ???? you claim to know so much about computers.. but you STILL cant spell that?? unless you can prove it... intel may not have more then 4 cores with sunny cove, tiger lake, or any of the new late 2019 or later lakes it has out that is now.. and only you would believe other wise
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Cooe - Monday, January 6, 2020 - link
Maybe out of happiness lol. You being a dumbass doesn't make these APU's themselves any less awesome. Rather, it just makes you well, look like a dumbass...Lord of the Bored - Tuesday, January 7, 2020 - link
"Pop a vein", not "pop vain"Jugotta Bichokink - Tuesday, January 7, 2020 - link
Spoken like a Pentium troll.Sub31 - Friday, January 10, 2020 - link
Nah, more like a 486 troll.Jugotta Bichokink - Tuesday, January 7, 2020 - link
Shabby you're a fool. Intel picks random benchmarks that help their case EXCLUSIVELY.When they were winning on single core they had all kinds of random benchmark citations to try to prove that was more important "overall" than having a fast bus - well, now they have NEITHER.
You can go hide in the sand all you want.
generalako - Tuesday, January 7, 2020 - link
Except Ice Lake is a 18% IPC gain over Coffee Lake, making it around 10% over Zen 2 in IPC as well. Meaning that in order 4800U AMDi7-1065G7 to even match i7-1065G7 in single-core performance, it has to be clocked at 4.3 GHz in boost. It's instead around 4.2, meaning AMD is in fact a few percent behind, not ahead, of Ice Lake in single-core. In any case, we can assume it's parity.As for the rest, the most important metric is efficiency, and AMD did not show us anything there, which is a bit worrying. Ice Lake was ahead of Zen+ by a factor of 40%. AMD only stated "up to 20% better efficiency" at the same frequency. That's simply not enough.
I'm also interested in sustained performance. At the end of the day the benchmarks that Andrei and others provide are completely useless. For example, in his benchmark of Surface Pro 3 Laptop, Ice Lake was reaching desktop Coffee Lakes levels of performance. That's just nonsense, and I'm surprised he makes no reservations about it. I use an Ice Lake laptop regularly, and no way in hell dos it even come close to performing as well as desktop CPUs for even everyday tasks. Even something as a simple scrolling in Spotify is more janky on laptops than desktop CPUs (which do run at base clocks in such tasks too, mind you). SPEC does not properly represent this reality, and it's also why I'm disappointed that 4000U chips have regressed in base clock. Base clock improvements is where the real performance is at.
SolarBear28 - Tuesday, January 7, 2020 - link
@generalako AMD stated up to 20% overall lower soc power at the same frequency (while doubling the core count). That's much different than 20% better efficiency. Performance per watt has doubled (in multi threaded loads). I doubt the gains will be as large in single threaded loads. And I agree, AMD would certainly have shown a direct comparison to Ice Lake if they had somehow surpassed it in absolute power consumption. But AMD could be very close.Zizo007 - Wednesday, January 8, 2020 - link
If AMD can reach their 4.2Ghz boost then they will beat the new Intel mobile processors.Users in TomsHardware are having issues with Intel high end mobile CPU not reaching their Turbo speed even under good temps. They are reaching a max of 4Ghz whereas the boost speed is 4.5Ghz.
HStewart - Wednesday, January 8, 2020 - link
Even though AMD used Intel best Ice Lakes which are by the way only 4 Core why these new AMD chips have 8 Cores - one has to believe Intel has 6 and 8 core mobile CPU with new architexture. It might be called Tiger Lake - but it would be foolish to think Intel is just sitting on their butts.Korguz - Wednesday, January 8, 2020 - link
hstewart come on man.. will you EVER learn how to spell architecture correctly ???? you claim to know so much about computers.. but you STILL cant spell that?? unless you can prove it... intel may not have more then 4 cores with sunny cove, tiger lake, or any of the new late 2019 or later lakes it has out that is now.. and only you would believe other wise